• On some mornings, the sky melds with the lake.

    This is my fourth annual post about a weeklong trip to my cousin’s house on the shore of Lake Waccamaw. This week was a little unusual because we were the only ones there the entire time of our stay. My sister, brother-in-law, niece, and grand-nephew, and my cousin and his wife were all supposed to be there the first weekend, and I wasn’t sure about the second weekend until the last minute. Everyone cancelled. This was nice for me in a way, since I revel in solitude, but not so great for Sandy, who is a more sociable fella. We didn’t even get a day visit from my mother or brother. Of course, if anyone showed up yesterday, they found the house shut down, because we skedaddled late Friday night, a day and a half before scheduled.

    Upon getting there last Saturday afternoon, I immediately dived into artwork. I soaked cattail leaves and bulrushes to weave hats, and took over a bedroom for my studio. I spread everything out where I could see it and for the following week, I selected my projects from this room and took them out to the screened porch to work on. I’ll save my artwork for another post.

    It rained off and on all weekend and Monday, which was just dandy with me, since I love storms at the lake. Often you can see the rain moving across the lake, and you may end up getting a taste of it or not. Once a cloud of mist from the west covered the lake up to the boat, from which the view to the east was clear. Sandy wondered if we were in the Twilight Zone, and I thought that we should get on the boat to see what happened, but we didn’t, so we’ll never know.

    We napped on the gliders and the hammock and read books. Sandy went through at least half a dozen books. I had a variety of things to do and a thick novel, Ahab’s Wife, which was excellent and took me through most of the week. Now I’m considering checking out Moby Dick from the library, having never read the “great American novel.” I had just finished The Maytrees by Annie Dillard, which takes place in 20th century Provincetown. They were nice companions to read back to back.

    The lake changes every time we come here. Last year during the drought, the artisian well dried up and the water receded about 8-10 feet. This brought differences in the water plants, as well. Then in late April, the water was lapping at the edge of the bald cypresses, higher than normal. Now, in late June, the old cypress stumps that were formerly buried in the sand were exposed much more than normal, and were catching lots of flotsam and jetsam from the lake, including a lot of broken glass, china, and brick pieces. I even found a broken flower-arranging “frog” in the lake. I spent time everyday wading on the edge of the lake, picking up glass and trash and hard driftwood sticks. I plan to use the driftwood in making books and paper sculpture and weaving – I’ve got several ideas for these sticks. I think that my most pleasurable activity was wading under the shade of the huge old bald cypresses, picking up the small smooth sticks and knots of wood.

    One of the reasons that my sister left early is the critter above. This is Mama Gator, an alligator who appears to be about 10 feet long that lives across the road from the house in a canal. She often has little babies swimming around. This year, she has taken to sleeping in a patch of unmowed grass beside the road a few doors down – not that we knew that. Lisa was walking with her grandson and walked up to within six feet of Mama Gator. She grabbed the back of Jake’s shirt, yanked him backwards, and yelled “Run!” It shook her up terribly and she says that she’s not sure that she can go back. People still bike and walk along there all the time, and she talked to the neighbors who said that the construction workers working on the house there had been feeding her. How incredibly STUPID is that! The locals down there take the alligators in stride – the only incident has been the death of a German Shepherd about ten years ago, and they hunted that gator down and killed it. Again, someone had been feeding it. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

    I heard the gator’s rumble several times during the week. It sounds like someone trying to start an outboard motor, so I didn’t know what the sound was for a long time. One morning it sounded like it was coming from the back yard next door. The grass had just been mowed so I ventured out to look in their yard, but I saw nothing. Then it sounded like it was coming from the canal again. It didn’t do a lot for my nerves, but I’m probably less scared than most people would be. I just don’t walk beside the road anymore, and I stopped swimming in the lake at night a long time ago.

    What really got to us both was the incident in the bathroom on Tuesday night. I was, ahem, sitting on the toilet, and I reached absently for a magazine that was on a rattan shelf, when there was a movement. The movement became a slither. Well. The words that came out of my mouth made it unfit to kiss my mother, I can tell you. The snake was about two feet long, and it ran along the leg of the shelf between the shelf and the wall with its white belly exposed to us and its head hidden, so we couldn’t identify it. Not that it would matter that much if it had been poisonous because I’d die of shock if a snake bit me anyway. I grabbed my toothbrush and toothpaste from the shelf (Sandy couldn’t believe that my reaction was to save my toothbrush, but hey, dental hygiene is important) and ran out of the bathroom.

    Sandy was trying to ID the snake before he tried to catch it, and when he said that we had to catch it, I said, “I don’t do snakes.” I understood what he meant – we didn’t want a snake hidden in the house somewhere – but I was frozen. He went to get a large bowl from the kitchen – I guess that he meant to somehow get the snake under the bowl – and when he returned to the bathroom in just a few seconds, the snake was gone. And I still had to pee, but I had to choose the bathroom with the disappeared snake, or the dark back yard with the possible alligator. After a careful inspection, I chose the bathroom. It was careful inspections everywhere in that house until we left, but we never saw the snake again. I believe that it left the way it came in, however that was. There are a million holes in that house.

    So, moving on from the wildlife stories…we spent a couple of afternoons in Wilmington, where we ate at a couple of riverfront restaurants, and poked around antique stores, art galleries, and bookstores. One night they were filming an episode of “One Tree Hill” across the river from us, and a Tennessee family with an excited young teenager was standing beside us on the Riverwalk, watching it. The girl reminded me of when I was that age. Even in the heat, the Riverwalk is a very pleasant place to walk in the evening. We had a couple of drinks at the Front Street Brewery, which makes a kickass Scottish ale. Kicked mine, anyway. We didn’t have the courage to go to the Barbary Coast, whose portal is pictured above.

    On Thursday, after I recovered from the first hangover I have had in a long time, I went home to Mama’s and had lunch with her. She shared a couple of letters from her aunt written to her sister in the early 50s that were just hilarious. I take after my grandmother on that side, and didn’t get to know her sisters and brothers and parents, so it was good to get that glimpse of family history. Great Aunt Rosa wrote exactly whatever came to her mind exactly the way she would have spoken it, and she didn’t hold anything back. Then we went to the farm and picked a few blueberries, but there weren’t many. There is an old peach tree on the edge of the woods that Mama is excited about, and we found it. Trudy, who lives nearby, told her about it and said that the peaches are small but sweet. It was loaded down, too, but they weren’t ripe yet. I gave Mama both of the hats that I made, since she couldn’t decide which she liked best. She helped me gather the cattails for them last year on the farm.

    On Friday morning, I had calmed down about the wild critters, and was wading around in the lake again, thinking that it was the most perfect place on earth. But by noon, I was suddenly, urgently, wishing to come home. So after another day of napping, reading, and inkle-weaving, we went to Dale’s for a final plate of fried seafood, cleaned up the house, packed, and was home by midnight. The cats were happy to see us, and we were happy to spend the last two days of our vacation here in Greensboro.

  • And….we’re back. We rolled in at midnight, after deciding over plates of fried seafood at Dale’s that we’d really be happier at home this weekend. Sandy was bored, the weather was rather hot and muggy, and I reached the point where I was thinking more about Sandy being unhappy than my pleasure. I was ready, too, though. Somewhere between wading in the lake yesterday morning, thinking that it was the most perfect place on earth for me, and last night, I was suddenly hit hard with a desire to come home and a feeling that I didn’t, in fact, belong there. I asked Sandy if he’d like to come home today, and he hardly let me finish the question before he said yes. Then he asked what day it was! I called the petsitter, and then we decided to move our departure up to 9 p.m. last night.

    If we had had some company, or if we had had the kayak we expected (which my sister took back home with her), we would have had more fun. But, the details are for another post.

    So here I am. I’ve got time to do laundry, do some gardening, and do some more artwork before I go back to work. It’s all good. I’m even considering making watermelon rind pickles. We bought a big watermelon down there that we have not cut yet.

    I’m not hitting the farmer’s market this morning though. I don’t feel like getting dressed yet. Still spoiled from the lake.

    The cats seem happy and Miss Peanut meowed at us from the time we drove up until we closed the front door for the last time. Sandy said that he’d never seen her so conversational. I guess that she does love us.

    It did sadden me as we entered the last leg of the journey that usually my ache of missing Squirt at the end of a week’s vacation is relieved when I get home, and this time it wouldn’t be. It was out of pure habit that my mind turned to Squirt, how he would wander out, sleepy and confused, me calling him, having to chase him for a few seconds, and then him purring and relaxing into my shoulder. He wasn’t the brightest cat, but he was the most loving cat I ever had.

    I really think that it is time for me to start putting a little money aside for a screened back porch. It will probably be several years before I can save enough money, but it would improve the quality of living here during the summer so much! I’m not sure how much more we’ll go to the lake, quite honestly. Sister Lisa was shook up badly about her encounter with the big alligator, and Sandy is not happy without the jet ski or company. I will probably go by myself or with friends who appreciate the wildlife and quiet, but I have to admit that the wildlife got a little too close for comfort this year. If I had a screened porch with a ceiling fan where I could work on my art overlooking the garden, that would be nearly as good. Except that I’d keep getting lured away by laundry and weeding and cooking, but that is where the lake art trips will continue to keep their attraction. I also will have to weigh the cost of gas from now on.

    I kept a journal at the lake – the art journal that I began in May. I had stopped writing in it for a week or so before the lake, and it was nice to sit on the porch and write first thing each morning. It’s hard to do that here – the cats are all over me from thirty minutes before I get up until I leave the house. I guess that I could set aside 15-20 minutes in the studio to journal before I walk to work.

    I guess that I feel a little sad today, like an era is over or something. But I still feel happier and more content than I felt last year at this time.

    I’ll upload photos and write about the trip later this weekend.

  • “I’m telling ya, Marge, this is the life. Away from the rat race, just the quiet lapping of the waves and an occasional human tossing us some bread crumbs.”

    “Du-u-u-u-de! Where ya been hiding? I’ve left you voice mails, sent you emails, you must’ve been away, right? Anyway, now that I’ve caught up with you, I invited the rest of the guys over. Par-t-t-t-ay! Right, right?”

  • Okay, I am NOT going to spend more than a few minutes here, but I’m able to pick up a wireless connection at Lake Waccamaw! I’m amazed! I only brought my laptop because I’d downloaded a bunch of podcasts and music I wanted to listen to, and I thought that I’d give this a shot. Wow. Too bad I didn’t bring my camera cable.

    Anyway, I have my cattails and bulrush soaking, but it will probably be tomorrow before they’re ready to work with. This is part of the reason why I haven’t been weaving hats – I have to plan ahead and I don’t have a good place at home to work with wet materials.

    I set up one of the other bedrooms as a studio – everything is laid out where I can see it and I go in there, pick out what I want to do, and take it outside or to the back screened porch, where I have a beautiful breezy view of the lake.

    I’ve been journaling this morning. I added some beads to the little book I made in D. Essig’s class at Art and Soul, and drew a couple of sketches in it.

    Now I’m going to read for a bit – Ahab’s Wife. Pretty good, so far. Maybe I’ll blog some more later.

    I love this place.

  • We decided to make a leisurely exit for our vacation at Lake Waccamaw since it turns out that none of my relatives plan to be there this weekend as we were originally told. My brother-in-law’s father is dying and I don’t know why my cousin and his wife cancelled. It bothered me a little at first, but then I looked at the silver lining. This really means complete freedom for a few days.

    I found a new petsitter who I get very good vibes from. He looks like a football player and he and his wife have been doing this full time for 12 years. Guido and Miss Jazz liked him a lot. It’s a shame that I have to pay for a petsitter but the person who was doing it for the last two years – well, we got what we paid for, and worse. I mean, I should not have to come home and clean up after a housesitter.

    Anyway, if anyone should happen to walk in on THIS guy, I’m guessing that it will make them turn tail and run.

    I’m packed, and I’m taking nearly the whole studio with me – HA! I have such a hard time with packing lightly. I don’t want to have to go to the laundromat, though. It was hard to pick out projects that I’d like to work on. I took the labyrinth tapestry off the loom yesterday and I’ll do some stitching on it and hem it while I’m there. I’ll probably warp up the tapestry cover for my Feral Family book and begin it.

    My main focus will be hats – it’s a great place to make hats. I need at least 24 hours to soak the bulrush and cattails. The cattails are the ones I collected from our family farm last year. This year I will be keeping the leftovers to make paper with, so all of it will be used. I find that so exciting. There’s something about reducing waste and reusing everything I can that gives me a tingle. Hey, maybe I’ll use some of the short pieces to weave book covers. Anyway, because it takes a while to soak the materials, having several days down there is essential so that I’ll have the time to weave them up and not waste them. The back porch is screened with a cement floor, so I can have a view of the lake, sit comfortably away from bugs (in case there is not a breeze), and work with wet materials. Next year, I’ll make paper too!

    I’m taking my art journal, and some acrylic paints and pens, and my inkle loom, and a bag of wool yarns and pieces of cardboard for small fun off-the-cuff tapestries. And LOADS of books.

    Before I leave, I’ll pick up my paper from Susanne. She says that it is beautiful. I went through my stash of weaving books and picked out about ten that I either have duplicates of or I don’t need anymore. She has a HUGE old 8 harness loom that her husband bought at an auction and she’s interested in learning more about weaving and spinning. It’s nice to have something to give her that she needs, after what she’s done for me.

    And ZhaK – she had such a rough time over the past few weeks. Her oldest son, Chris, had surgery for a ruptured appendix. She is, hands down, the best mother I’ve ever met, and yet the doctors made her feel guilty for not bringing him in earlier. She is still on the mend from recent sinus surgery and Chris is just an amazing young man – full of love and strength. Her experience with the medical practice that we have shared confirms my decision to never, ever go back to those arrogant fools. I had hoped that she (or she and her sons) might join us next weekend at the lake, and it still might happen, but I’m not expecting it.

    We do have a cell phone now, something that makes my heart sink a bit. You just don’t know how much I hate cell phones – phones in general, but especially cell phones. It seemed to be needed, so there it is. My mother is happy. Believe me, it will be off when I am at home, and I’m not carrying it around with me around town. I used to say that I didn’t understand why people wanted to talk on the phone in the car, because I got in the car to get away from the phone. I’m very vocal about my hatred for cell phones, and now I have one. Sheesh.

    Well, I’m down to the bottom of my cup. It’s time to go to Deep Roots and stock up on (reasonably) healthy snacks and drinks for the coming week and then to the vet to drop off a form for the petsitter, then to Susanne’s. I hope by that time Mr. Sandino will be awake and ready to go.

  • Sitting here, drinking my coffee, killing a little bit of time before the stores I need to go to open this morning. I had to take the morning off to run these errands because I killed the battery in my car AGAIN. I don’t even know why I turned the headlights on, because I didn’t drive it after dark. Tch. So, I need to use the Honda before Sandy takes it to work this afternoon.

    The only reason that these things can’t wait until this weekend is that we’re leaving early Saturday morning for Lake Waccamaw, where we’ll be until the following Sunday. And I’ve decided that now that Verizon offers a pay as you go cell phone, it’s time to do the cell phone thing. The lake house doesn’t have a phone, a feature that I like quite a bit, but there have been times when we have needed one, and it’s hard to find a pay phone these days. Plus we need some kind of way for the pet sitter and my family to reach us in case of emergency. I’m not giving out the number to anyone else (except friends that I expect to visit us at the lake) and it will be turned off except for long trips and the lake house.

    Oof. Cell phone. Ugh.

    Also have to stock up on cat food and some local/organic food supplies from Deep Roots Market. I did sign up for their Eat Local America challenge, which I have to say that I haven’t thought about much. When I’m at home I eat local most of the time anyway, and this week I’ve pretty much been living on green beans and potatoes and peanut butter. The peanut butter ain’t local, but what can I say. I cannot live without peanut butter.

    All this reminds me of the meme that Robbyn tagged me with: What wouldn’t you give up to save Mother Earth? I’ve seen several bloggers do this one, and my answers won’t be much different. At one time, a cell phone would not have been on this list.

    Time – I need a lot of downtime for myself to read and do artwork and garden and just relax. It is very tempting to throw myself passionately into every cause that I feel is important, but I’ve learned the hard way that doing too much backfires and shuts me down.

    Computer – I love my laptop and the Internet and my life has been greatly enriched by all the people that I’ve come to know through blogging.

    Air Conditioning – We lived without it for fifteen years, and we still do when the heat is not oppressive. But as I got older I found that I have much less tolerance for heat, and a good night’s sleep is essential for my mental and physical health.

    Medication – Birth control and anti-depressants have made my life so much better that I can’t even begin to explain it. Natural remedies did NOT work.

    Books – I love books and I always have. It surprises me that I didn’t seek to become a librarian. And the library’s great, but I love to own books, take my time with them, go back to the best ones again. I managed a book store and worked with wholesale and retail books for a total of nine years. I still miss it and dream about it. I seldom buy a new book unless I want to support the author – and I hit the free shelves at Ed McKays with alarming frequency. Every now and then I turn in several boxes and get credit to buy more!

    One car – right now we own two, but we could get by with one. I grew up way out in the country where public transportation is non-existent. I could manage in Greensboro without a car if we had to, but I am attached to the freedom that owning a car gives me, even though it has a lot of other baggage.

    Okay, there are others, but it’s time for the stores to open. Gotta go spend some money – not one of my favorite things to do. I’m not tagging anyone at this time – if you want to play, go ahead! It’s a good prompt, I think.

  • There was no Saturday morning coffee pot post Part II because I awoke Saturday morning to a power outage, which is unusual at my house. Even during the ice storms that knock out most people for at least a day, we tend to be lucky in that respect, even though we are probably better equipped to handle it than most people, due to our free-standing woodstove.

    By the time the power was back on, I was focused on the day ahead. I had wakened during the night with some kind of stomach ailment, and I was worried that I wouldn’t be able to make my papermaking date with Susanne at 10:30. But by that time, I was pretty much over it, and I made paper from 10:30-2. Then I came home and caught up on the sleep I missed Friday night.

    I made a nice dinner with pork chops from Bradd’s farm, which works in a team with Goat Lady Dairy. They feed their pastured pigs with the leftover whey from the dairy. I marinated them and cooked them in a cast iron pan, then topped them with an organic sweet BBQ sauce. To my sauce, I added this hellishly hot Mexican stuff with smoked poblanos that Deb brought by the other night. It was a good combination. The side dish was “green” beans, garlic, fresh dill, and new potatoes from the Back Forty. I was bad with the dessert though, and reverted to a recipe that I haven’t made in a long, long time. I made what my family refers to as Blueberry Dump Cake. It’s one of the easiest desserts that I know of – fresh or frozen fruit on the bottom, a box of yellow cake mix, chopped pecans, and lots of butter dotted on top, then bake for 30 minutes. Best with vanilla ice cream, which we didn’t have. I looked at the ingredients in the cake mix, and it made my hair stand on end after all this time of eating organic and whole foods. Oh well, I can’t be good all the time.

    About the papermaking – it fit me like a glove. I caught onto it quickly, and I pulled about 60 thin sheets of 9×12 paper! I’ll have enough to play with for a while, and will save some for Daniel Essig’s bookmaking class in October. I’m looking forward to setting up my own operation here, but it is something better done outside. I could probably do it on the front porch with a fan on me, but it would freak out poor Miss Peanut, who really has a hard enough time with life. Miss Peanut is the reason that I keep putting off painting the front porch railings and pillars, which need it badly. Our lives revolve around these cats. Anyway, Susanne says that she’ll be glad to put pulp in her beater for me (prepares it for the actual making of the sheets).

    I won’t have time to get it together before I go, but I’d love to make paper at the lake house where there is a screened porch with a cement floor.

    Thank God we finally got a little rain last night. Not enough, but it brought down the heat. I’ll try to do some weeding today and put down the cardboard I collected over the past two weeks.

    Now I have to update the Sierra Club web site. This is a task that I’m officially resigning from as of August 31, and they (the Piedmont Plateau group) need someone to step up and volunteer. If you’re interested, leave me a comment. My only reason is that I’m trying to spend less time on the computer and more time on art and gardening and life.

  • I figure that I’ll get started on my Saturday morning coffee pot post early, except without the coffee. Substitute: Yuengling. I’ll be flitting about in the morning, ditzy with joy to finally be going over to Susanne’s for a day of papermaking, picking up my chicken at the market, trying not to have a panic attack, yet tanking up on caffeine.

    I just spent a couple of hours trying to, yet again, reorganize my studio. There’s only so much I can do but I did put a lot in the recycling bag. I finished off the last fabulously ugly scarf last weekend, and it is really fabulous. I’ll try to remember to post a photo soon. The important thing is that it allowed me to fold up my Baby Wolf loom, park my butt in the middle of the floor, and spread all my collected junk around me in an attempt to figure out some kind of storage system. I don’t think that I’m going to be happy until I get some shelving up around the top of the walls for my yarn storage. Then I can use that space for a table for papermaking and supplies.

    I have some terrific wood that I can recycle for shelves, and I think that I’ll hit up my carpenter neighbor a few doors down to cut it up for me. At one time it was a table at a bookstore that I used to manage. When it went out of business I bought it for the price we paid for it – $75. It is sealed wood and not practical as a work table for me anymore (at the time I rented a huge basement space as a studio for a song, which was great until it flooded). The top of the table has about a two-inch lip around it, and it had a big flat area at the bottom too. I took it apart years ago and have been lugging it around with me. I think that it’s time to reclaim the wood in this sucker and attach it to the walls.

    Anyway, I haven’t been journaling much this week and I’m not kicking myself. I’m not kicking myself. Really, I am not kicking myself. Because that would be wrong. To kick myself. For making art a “should.”

    Sigh.

    I have been weaving a lot on the labyrinth tapestry and that should be finished very soon. Then I can start on the “feral family” tapestry.

    Another “should” that I really should do – go out and pick beans. We have an orange air quality alert today, which means it’s unhealthy for sensitive people, and just walking to work and back made my throat hurt and gave me a headache. It’s the heat plus smoke drifting in from the wildfires in eastern N.C. 200-300 miles away. I can’t imagine how bad it must be east of here. Lord. I’d better do it now before the sun goes down.

  • Oh puh-leeze. It only got up to 99 in zip code 27401. What was all that fuss about?

    Hey, the cherry picking turned out to be pleasant, but I think that we did good in limiting the amount of time we spent there this afternoon. For one thing, Sandy and I picked $72 worth of cherries in about an hour. There were so many you could pick them by the handful. I only seriously climbed a ladder once, because most of the sweet cherries weren’t really fully ripe – ripe enough to eat and be tasty with a zing, ripe enough to make a good pie, but not black and sweet as I would prefer. I climbed a ladder when I found a side of a big tree where the cherries were darker and sweeter.

    There were 7 adults and a passel of chirren and we had a mildly breezy little picnic in the cherry orchard atop the Cherry Orchard stage, where they present plays during August. Frank Levering stopped by and talked with us.

    If you decided to go cherry picking next Sunday instead, you’re in luck, I think. It looks like they expect the heat wave to break, but even so, it wasn’t that bad. The orchard is about two miles from the Blue Ridge Parkway. The cherries will be riper and sweeter, and Frank says that he’ll be happy to speak to that group of people too. And, of course, you can go on your own. It’s a very pretty place and you’d enjoy it for the scenery if nothing else. Make sure you get there early enough to finish your picking and pay up by 5 p.m.

    Now I have about 20 pounds of cherries to process. Sandy is taking about 10 pounds to work to give away. I already arranged to take off work tomorrow morning, so I’ll spend it listening to podcasts and pitting cherries. I think that I’ll freeze them and can some of the frozen ones later, perhaps in a Slow Food workshop if we get that together.

  • This will be a short one, since I need to get to the market and it’s already 84 degrees at 8:45 am.

    First off, if you would like to go cherry picking with a group at the Levering Orchard on June 15, someone has volunteered to organize it. Leave me a comment saying so and I’ll send you her email address. If you’re on the Slow Food Piedmont Triad email list, you’ll get the information in about five minutes. You can join it by emailing info at slowfoodpiedmont dot org.

    So much for my whining about people not stepping up. I blame hormones. It’s convenient that way.

    I am feeling the need to shave my legs. Phooey. I hate it when my cultural upbringing pressures me internally to do crap I don’t really want to do. But I do like them better smooth. I went for two years without shaving my legs once and they did not look pretty and downy like some of my friends’ unshaven legs do. I finally gave in to societal expectations and started shaving again. But only occasionally, and only in summer. My husband could not care less if I shaved or not. And he doesn’t like make-up, and loves it if I decide to change my hair in any way. I love my husband.

    So, if I’m going to wear shorts in public this weekend, it’s time. I gotta go.

    The heat index should be over 100 today, maybe even the actual temperature, and there have been air quality alerts, so it will be an excuse to stay indoors and work on my labyrinth tapestry. I received two great books in the mail yesterday and a luscious indie magazine, Art and Life. I’ll probably blog a lot out of boredom. Talk to ya later.